A FEW RARE FINDS.......INFO NEEDED IF POSSIBLE PLEASE

[retrohippy]

Hey there, been off the scene for quite some time now due to money troubles etc but over the last few weeks, as summer somes to an end, i seem to have come accross a few finds which i think might be a bit nice!!

Ive found a grifter, 79, in red which is pretty as it is, needs a clean up but all round a good tredda. so need need to discuss that really but BMX's............a few that i have got, i know nothing about, nothing about how to re-build them or whats missing/wrong etc.

1 i think is a haro on metal hubbed tuff 2's. but ill let the pics do the talking. Frame number 84103687

The second is totally unknown, with very weird mag wheels.....with drum brakes??? No frame number apparent.

Heres the pics, any advice, makes, how they should be built etc would be ever so much appreciated.

Thanks

[retrohippy]

[pickle]

Chrome one is a Haro Master but god knows what the other one is? 

[retrohippy]

Any idea on age of The haro???
The frame number is there but i cannot find anything out relating a year??
I want to know how to build it stock

[pickle]

No i'm not a Haro expert, it has the wrong forks though i know that for sure 

[retrohippy]

Yeah a mate of mine told me that yesterday, wrong forks (unsure of make), wrong bars, wrong seat.
Bit of a mish-mash really but a few nice parts.
So id love to build it right as im sick of building sh*ters!
About time i built something proper

[kuwahero]

At a guess its an 3rd Gen' 84 Haro Master often referred to as the overseas Master. As Pickle says wrong forks though

[pickle]

Yeah a mate of mine told me that yesterday, wrong forks (unsure of make), wrong bars, wrong seat.
Bit of a mish-mash really but a few nice parts.
So id love to build it right as im sick of building sh*ters!
About time i built something proper

I hope you've got deep pockets then mate, as the forks alone are going to cost a fair bit. 

[retrohippy]

Yeah monies no big issue, it can be a slow build if need be.
Any idea on the other bike anybody???

[ozone]

The red one is just some cheap POS but the mags are quite cool.  It has the worst bubblegum welds I've seen in a long time and it looks like some numpty welded the rear dropouts on the wrong way up.   

The Haro is a nice find though.  You could fit some landing gear forks or similar to get you up and running while you search for some proper Haro forks.   

[retrohippy]

Ok cool cheers pal
Im going to start stripping and cleaning today.
Rather excited.
Ill probably just bang the other one on the bay, i think somebody may like it for the mags alone??

[ozone]

Ok cool cheers pal
Im going to start stripping and cleaning today.
Rather excited.
Ill probably just bang the other one on the bay, i think somebody may like it for the mags alone??

Maybe putting the mags in their own auction might be a better idea as that frame is a real horror show and might put people off.   

[not johndub71]

The first one is a Mud Cruncher for sure. That isnt its OE stem, and ITM SR-a-like was supplied. I think they were about £60 through corner shops in '83.

[retrohippy]

A mud cruncher??
Thats the most awful name for something that im sure would snap on impact hahaha!!
Anybody got a pic of them??

[pickle]

if it is a Mudcruncher then Phil (Sawzall) would love that!! 

[not johndub71]

http://www.bmxtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4187&start=80

[ozone]

http://www.bmxtalk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4187&start=80

Sawzall's pic shows a gusset that is slightly curved with two holes and the build quality doesn't look quite so woeful so I'm guessing that red frame ain't one of them.  Still an unidentified POS ATM.

[not johndub71]

Am clue less then lol.

[Discostu]

The master is a first generation one (don't get mixed up with a gen 1 freestyler)
Yours was born on October 1984. 

[brummie]

The master is a first generation one (don't get mixed up with a gen 1 freestyler)
Yours was born on October 1984. 

id say it was a gen 3 84 made tai made master
gen 1 and 2 were torker made dropout serial stamped with no chevrons in the gusset stu

[retrohippy]

Is it a gen 3 then??
All this info is confusing me!!!
I do appreciate it tho guys

[brummie]

Is it a gen 3 then??
All this info is confusing me!!!
I do appreciate it tho guys

yes  mate
84 gen 3 anlun ( taiwanese ) made master frame
have a look on harocollector.com and you will see the spec it should have

[kuwahero]

1984 Haro Master Factory Build Components

These components are the same for White and Chrome bikes

Grips: Oakley B2, Blue
Bars: Vector Bob Haro, Chrome
Stem: None
Brakes: Dia Compe MX900, Annodized Blue with Tech 3 Levers and Green Cables
Headset: Hatta Alloy, Annodized Blue
Seatpost Clamp: Dia Compe Hinged, Annodized Blue
Seatpost: Anlun Layback Smooth, Chrome
Seat: Cycle Pro Shotgun II, Blue
Wheels: Skyway Tuff IIs with coasterbrake, alloy front hub, White
Tires: Cycle Pro Snakebelly
Cranks: Sugino CT 175mm, Chrome
Chainring: Sugino 43T, Annodized Blue
Pedals: MKS Grafight, Black

[BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN]

not mud cruncher - but it if snaps like it looks it would  it will be  SPUD CRUNCHER 

[bobafett]

 it looks like some numpty welded the rear dropouts on the wrong way up.   

Yeah I thought that too - fookin nuts that is