Looking for views and opinions please.

[Gnarlyscoots]

I put my 'back in the day' Torker build in the old school street section on bike of the year. The reason I done this was it is a replica of the bike I used to ride around the streets as a kid. I never raced BMX in my life and although it was built technically as a race bike bitd, it has been removed from the said above section.

The bike was not restored and all the parts put on it were used/rider condition parts.

Having looked in the street section, I notice that there are 2 x Mongoose builds sitting there and correct if I'm wrong, were these not built as race bikes bitd??

Technically speaking, my Torker build has a rightful place in 3 sections of bike of the year, Race section, Freestyle section (as the frame is classed as a freestyler these days) and old school street section.

Not looking for things to change, just views and opinions from other members on here please.

[dordymush]

have you had a word with whoever deleted it ?.
to many section if you ask me anyway.
confused.com

[Gashead]

It's not hard Dave, choose a bike in each section, then choose a winner from them, simples !

[Gnarlyscoots]

I was asked to move it to the race section, to which I had a long ponder over, and felt it needed to stay where it was. It's not restored in anyway and would never ever stand a chance in that section being of twin top tubing  

[dordymush]

i was thinking more of the people putting bikes in nick tbh.
whats classed as a street bike ?.

unless you was some flash fook the bike you rode on the street was the bike you raced at the weekend.
but thanks for your guidance on how to vote old chap  

[58 delray]

is there definition any where for the classes, for example how is a street bike defined?

[dordymush]

what i was trying to say before the snide comment.

[pickle]

your Torker frame was a race frame and the Mongoose Cali was classed as a low end street bike

I moved it after consulting with other mods......thanks for letting me know you'd decided not to move it by te way  

Dave, Street bikes are normally the low end bikes like Burners (not aero pro) Goose Cali, Halfords turbo, Puch that sort of thing......Torkers and TA's and the likes are not classed as Street bikes, even if that's all you did with them BITD

Also, why not use the 'comments section' in the BOTY thread to voice this concern?  instead of waiting a month till we've closed em down and set up the polls?

[Julian347]

To me, a Torker 280, Pro etc will always be a race bike. Its just that it had twin top tubes and probably influenced freestyle bike designs.

My understanding of a 'street bike' is one that had lower quality components on it and was aimed at kids riding around with their mates or racers on a budget. My Kuwahara Nova is classed as a street bike, although it was good enough for me to ride nationals BITD. If you check the specs between a Nova and a Laserlite you can see why its classed as 'street'.

[dordymush]

so because it cost more money then its not a street bike........ok 

[58 delray]

many of the "low end" bikes were raced at regional and national levels bitd as that was all some people could afford, like wise many "high end" bikes were only used on the street.

cali's were commonplace at race meetings  

[pickle]

Kind of Dave but not that simple i guess.  Like i put above, it's more the type of bikes we all had like Burners, Puch, Turbo's, Falcon Pro's and the like.

fook me, it's a general guide ffs..............i give up! 

[58 delray]

would not the best place for it be in the replica section as its a replica of the bike you rode bitd ?

[Gnarlyscoots]

your Torker frame was a race frame and the Mongoose Cali was classed as a low end street bike

I moved it after consulting with other mods......thanks for letting me know you'd decided not to move it by te way  

Dave, Street bikes are normally the low end bikes like Burners (not aero pro) Goose Cali, Halfords turbo, Puch that sort of thing......Torkers and TA's and the likes are not classed as Street bikes, even if that's all you did with them BITD

Also, why not use the 'comments section' in the BOTY thread to voice this concern?  instead of waiting a month till we've closed em down and set up the polls?

So the Supergoose that's in the street section is also classed as a low street bike too??

The reason I am now voicing my opinion and not a month ago is simple to Pickle. I have to work, Rad has been unobtainable and when you locked the threads, my Torker was still in there.

I'm not looking to aggrevate or cause too much of a stir, I'm looking for peoples opinions on what a 'street bike' is classed as and and if mine was fairly and justly removed from the section.

[Gashead]

Snide comment you big lord   Wanna fight  


Chill out chaps, as long as your bikes in there who cares  

[Gnarlyscoots]

would not the best place for it be in the replica section as its a replica of the bike you rode bitd ?

I did think of that too dude but, it's not a Torker replica. It's a genuine one. I just felt I needed to ask why it's not classed as a street bike being as thats all I ever done with it.

[dordymush]

yes after school ya fooker ya  .

all i was saying was should a burner thats been restored to mint and had a fortune spent on it be class more lowly than a T/A thats had the same ammount spent.
when i looked at the sections before i was waiting for this to start.
not trying to cause agro but a race a freestyle a mini and a new/mid school section would have been soooo much easier to vote and put ya bikes in.

just me though bosses.dont ban me yet as im waiting for a few bits to come in the post  

[hunterdubber]

There is no official classification spec written ,, but I'd say the general idea is , it it aint specific race or specific freestylle it goes in Street i.e

Any non Tange Burner
Piranha
Puch invader
Iron Horse dirt burner
Kuwahara E.T
Diamond back Viper
Cycle pro Macho
BH California
Halfords Turbo
Trax Pro
Ammaco 202


all these are full  Hi tensile steel not Cro-mo  


Basically if it wasn't a sub £150 POS it's not getting in  

[58 delray]

would not the best place for it be in the replica section as its a replica of the bike you rode bitd ?

I did think of that too dude but, it's not a Torker replica. It's a genuine one. I just felt I needed to ask why it's not classed as a street bike being as thats all I ever done with it.

yeah i know it's a real one mate but it is a rep of your bike from bitd just as Ash's ripper is a rep of Stu Thompsons from bitd  

[popedante]

well thats what you get for building a race bike with twin top tubes   

[Gnarlyscoots]

would not the best place for it be in the replica section as its a replica of the bike you rode bitd ?

I did think of that too dude but, it's not a Torker replica. It's a genuine one. I just felt I needed to ask why it's not classed as a street bike being as thats all I ever done with it.

yeah i know it's a real one mate but it is a rep of your bike from bitd just as Ash's ripper is a rep of Stu Thompsons from bitd  

which section is it in now by the way?

No griping there Dubs on my part. Just put it in to show her off 

All I am saying is that, in my opinion, ALL BMX bikes were 'street' bikes as that is where their biggest customer base was. I don't agree with the comment that a Super Tuff Burner was a street bike and the Pro Burner was not. I also had a Pro Burner that never saw the track either and when I went into Raleigh to buy it with my Dad, the guy never said "thats for racing buddy. You should take this Tuff Burner instead".

I thought I would put it in there as, to me, it's a street bike.

[hunterdubber]

Street class I'd say is about street ,  Survivor un restored class is something else ,,they've had em before at MK about 4 years ago and not since


I can understand Terry's misunderstanding , because it isn't written as rules

 and is just assumed everyone knows what fits in


It is just for fun though ,, isn't it ?    



This was my Piranha which fits in street ,, not built for race or freestyle , but it's an old 80's bike so must fit in the other class  



Mostly NOS and  not survivor

but definately a POS   

[kungfunky]

Where was the 70's freestyle catagory ? 

[Devilock]

As i see it, a bike could be categorised on its use- if you bought a frame that was made for or universally regarded as a race frame but spec'd for street & only used it as such, then it could fit both categories...

[58 delray]

Where was the 70's freestyle catagory ? 

or the 1957 dutch catagory