s&m Neal Wood vs 38 special

[elevensies]

just wondered what the difference is between the s&m woody and the 38 special is?

oh and maybre throw in the Rv too.

[bof]

They are all evolutions of the RV frame , a neal wood is a 21.25 RV with an internal headset and euro BB. The 38 special is a trimmed down version of the neal wood with a machined internal headset, thinner tubing, reduced dropout size and a slightly shorter back end 
I have a neal wood frame for sale if any body is interested

[elevensies]

thanks for that, only wondered as i used to have a rv, and i currently ride a 38 special, and i kinda wanted another rv, but cant find one, so thought id look for a neil wood....but thought it would be to close to notice a difference.


 hey presto, you got one for sale

how much???

[bof]

You have pm

[elevensies]

you have a pm too

[Dingobmxer]

I have owned them all but the Neal Wood is the only one that has stayed with me   

Dingo

[elevensies]

mark, with all the bloody bikes you have had, thats actually a good statement.

im now the proud owner of a woody too my 38 speccy could end up as a wall ornament now

maybeeeeee

mark

[LENNY-LENTINI]

I might be persuaded to part with my 2004 R/V 21" Frame

http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=135190.0

This bike has the best flow out of all my S&M's. Super sweet to ride, even Street and Park.

It's just to beautiful to ride everyday and have no more room for Show'ers.

Neal Woods, 38's and R/V's are all killer.

Keep the Faith.L

[SaMAlex]

I've got a late oversized challenger and my mate has an early oversized challenger. We should line them all up. Plot the evolution of "modern" S&M race frames

[elevensies]

actually thats would be quite good,

i still think i need a RV tho, i sold (gave away!!!!) mine to Dan Clifford back in 2000 ish, i bet he aint got it now hes stateside.


so yeah that would be a good idea, plot the race bikes from challenger to 38 (even that had changes made)

[elevensies]

I might be persuaded to part with my 2004 R/V 21" Frame

http://www.radbmx.co.uk/forum/index.php'topic=135190.0

This bike has the best flow out of all my S&M's. Super sweet to ride, even Street and Park.

It's just to beautiful to ride everyday and have no more room for Show'ers.

Neal Woods, 38's and R/V's are all killer.

Keep the Faith.L

come on then, how much lol

[LENNY-LENTINI]

You have PM Brother.

[SaMAlex]

Here's a snap of my late 90s challenger (BB wishbone, no seatstay wishbone)






And my mates early Oversized Challenger (Seatstay Wishbone)






And while we;re there, my 1" Challenger (Seatstay Wishbone)

[elevensies]

ohhh that early challenger i have come over all unnecessary


stunnning

[SaMAlex]

The red challenger is a bit of a funny one cos its got a chainstay U brake rather than a seat stay Canti. The story I heard was that the U brake challengers were by request of Neal Wood, but I dont know if its true. I did my best to snap the front end off the bike at MK last year
The bike won .... and i lost! 


The blue challenger came with a seat stay canti brake but I ground it off and put on Ubrake mounts. I rode it for a good few years, pretty much exactly like its still built now.


The chrome challenger has my fav challenger brake setup: Seat stay Canti mounts, Seat stay wishbone, cable stop on the wishbone 
I think they only did this on the early 1 1/8 challengers.

[elevensies]

i never noticed it had canti brakes!!

i was too mezmerized by it, they are by far my fave race bike.

I didnt think Neal rode the challenger long before he went onto the rv> then his sig frame, still its a good one.

i did hear that during all the development/changes/fiddeling about, that there were a few differing designs,

just as a point, do you know whos got any of the race jerseys in as im after one. i tried all the usual suspects but nothing, i want the one bennett always wore for dirt jumping, the large crested one.

ta

[SaMAlex]

I didnt think Neal rode the challenger long before he went onto the rv> then his sig frame, still its a good one.

Neal road a challenger for a while. He rode a 1" one, right tho the versions of 1 1/8, till they stopped doing them for the RV and TV frames.

just as a point, do you know whos got any of the race jerseys in as im after one. i tried all the usual suspects but nothing, i want the one bennett always wore for dirt jumping, the large crested one.

Is that the race shirt that either had a #1 or an oval on it? They did both of them again on a re-issue run a while ago but I can see them on the 4down or S&M site any more so maybe they aint doing them any more

[elevensies]

im after ant of these ones




this is my preference i think

[Betty]

The one at the bottom is a new one dude, you should be able to get one easy enough... 

The other 2 are the re issue ones from a few years ago, they'll be hard to find... they pop up on us ebay now n then

I was lucky enough to get one of those with the number 1 on given me off someone it was too small for!

Got one of those new un's n all, never worn it but i couldn't sell it, the mrs bought it me last christmas

[SaMAlex]

I was lucky enough to get one of those with the number 1 on given me off someone it was too small for!

What size is your one? Mine is WAY to big for me 

[motomagII]

I was lucky enough to get one of those with the number 1 on given me off someone it was too small for!

What size is your one? Mine is WAY to big for me 

AMERICAN SIZES ARE HUGE I GET XXL OVER HERE BUT XL IS MASSIVE ON ME FROM USA

[Betty]

I was lucky enough to get one of those with the number 1 on given me off someone it was too small for!

What size is your one? Mine is WAY to big for me 

It's a medium Alex, fits me fine but i'm only a Spen.... 

[Dingobmxer]

mark, with all the bloody bikes you have had, thats actually a good statement.

im now the proud owner of a woody too my 38 speccy could end up as a wall ornament now

maybeeeeee

mark

because of this bloody thread I just rebuilt my NW to ride at the weekend 

pics when the sun is shining


Dingo

[Dark Diggler]

I didnt think Neal rode the challenger long before he went onto the rv> then his sig frame, still its a good one.

Neal road a challenger for a while. He rode a 1" one

He has taste that boy

[elevensies]

mark, with all the bloody bikes you have had, thats actually a good statement.

im now the proud owner of a woody too my 38 speccy could end up as a wall ornament now

maybeeeeee

mark

because of this bloody thread I just rebuilt my NW to ride at the weekend 

pics when the sun is shining


Dingo

you know it makes sense mate