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nice had a set of these in 2005 but decided not to use em due to the weight!if u do use and manage to find some 12g spokes and nipples, let me know i need some for my phatt jack hubs got these beauties off ebay last night £5.20 inc p+p http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMX-wheel-hubs-/320728705381?pt=UK_sportsleisure_cycling_bikeparts_SR&hash=item4aaceba965
as already said phatt jacks should really use 12g spokes, only problem is 12g spokes are hard to come by these daysbut i have been doing some detective work and can get 72 184mm 12g spokes and nipples from taiwan for $57 (£35) delivered im also working on getting some from the uk which hopefully will make things easier and cheaper