Author Topic: Finally got myself a nos Hot Heart (Read 4080 times)

skki3330 · « **on:** April 28, 2011, 07:37 PM »

So a new edition to my collection is finally going to be added this NOS Tange Hot Heart.
I do have a few qustions if someone can help me though as i cant find to much by googling.
Can some confirm the year Frame number T3F1130 also is this off white/Cream colour a standard colour or was it just a base for spraying?

Thank you

Betty · « **Reply #1 on:** April 28, 2011, 07:52 PM »

Where do these keep popping up from?

Second nos one on ere in a matter of weeks

I'd be getting the drill and red n white paint out....

bodamus · « **Reply #2 on:** April 28, 2011, 07:57 PM »

Tange made June 1983

bodamus

skki3330 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 28, 2011, 08:14 PM »

Quote from: Betty on April 28, 2011, 07:52 PM

Where do these keep popping up from?

Second nos one on ere in a matter of weeks

I'd be getting the drill and red n white paint out....

NO NO NO NO WAY!!!!!!! while everyone keeps turning HH into Kuwi copies the HH's get rarer and i have to be honest i like the HH gusset better.

skki3330 · « **Reply #4 on:** April 28, 2011, 08:15 PM »

Quote from: bodamus on April 28, 2011, 07:57 PM

Tange made June 1983

bodamus

Cheers Fella that what the fella who sold it to me said 83, now i have to decide if to powder coat or not?

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Clean · « **Reply #5 on:** April 28, 2011, 08:24 PM »

I don't know much about the heritage but I do like the gusset (you know what I mean.... the heart shape!)

NORTY40 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 28, 2011, 08:40 PM »

Quote from: skki3330 on April 28, 2011, 08:14 PM

Quote from: Betty on April 28, 2011, 07:52 PM
Where do these keep popping up from?

Second nos one on ere in a matter of weeks

I'd be getting the drill and red n white paint out....

NO NO NO NO WAY!!!!!!! while everyone keeps turning HH into Kuwi copies the HH's get rarer and i have to be honest i like the HH gusset better.

Spot on mate

It will build into a nice bike as a HH

PHIPPSIO · « **Reply #7 on:** April 28, 2011, 09:12 PM »

Whats the story with these. I know the ET Kuwahara connection and obviously Tange, but is there a story behind the heart in the gusset. Maybe some kind of death dual over a woman??

monkian · « **Reply #8 on:** April 28, 2011, 09:21 PM »

There's been a good bit of chat about these recently over on BW, I'll get the links posted once it's back up online

From what I've read over there, these were bought in bulk as bankrupt stock by a reputable wholesaler up North somewhere but for some reason sat in storage for a long time.
The business changed hands from Father to Son who rediscovered them and sold them all on for peanuts to a local bike shop...

When they first came to light it all seemed a bit sus because all Hot Hearts seemed to be Chromed and full Cr-Mo.
These however are made in the exact same way as the Kuwie ET with a Hi-Ten Steel back end (Tri-Moly).
I wouldn't be suprised if these were made on the same jigs as the Kuwie ET frames and that paint could even be the same white

I'd be keeping the paint as it is unless it was just a base coat

Tange would make frames to specific customer specifications so, for me it's completely possible that these were done as a cheaper manufacturing option.
A couple of lads on BW have these. It'll be interesting to compare the serial stamps

Anyway, hope that helps for now

PHIPPSIO · « **Reply #9 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:46 PM »

Quote from: monkian on April 28, 2011, 09:21 PM

There's been a good bit of chat about these recently over on BW, I'll get the links posted once it's back up online

From what I've read over there, these were bought in bulk as bankrupt stock by a reputable wholesaler up North somewhere but for some reason sat in storage for a long time.
The business changed hands from Father to Son who rediscovered them and sold them all on for peanuts to a local bike shop...

When they first came to light it all seemed a bit sus because all Hot Hearts seemed to be Chromed and full Cr-Mo.
These however are made in the exact same way as the Kuwie ET with a Hi-Ten Steel back end (Tri-Moly).
I wouldn't be suprised if these were made on the same jigs as the Kuwie ET frames and that paint could even be the same white
I'd be keeping the paint as it is unless it was just a base coat

Tange would make frames to specific customer specifications so, for me it's completely possible that these were done as a cheaper manufacturing option.
A couple of lads on BW have these. It'll be interesting to compare the serial stamps

Anyway, hope that helps for now

Surely they were made on the same jigs. The difference as far as i can see is the gusset, otherwise they look like quality looptail frames like the ET Model. Did they use looptails in the movie?

skki3330 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:54 PM »

Thank you Monkian

I did get this from a bloke who runs a bike store who said they were old stock that they used to have back in the 80's and the warehouse where they were kept caught fire and most of the frames were no good so got scraped but a few get kept and now they have been rediscovered, i was a tad sus about these frames until another member bought one and it looked like a real HH. Anyway im very happy with it.
I would love to keep it the same colour but there are some chips and marks

still i just might live with them.

When you can find more info that would be great.

Betty · « **Reply #11 on:** April 28, 2011, 11:05 PM »

Quote from: PHIPPSIO on April 28, 2011, 10:46 PM

Did they use looptails in the movie?

KZ1's in the movie...

DJL · « **Reply #12 on:** April 29, 2011, 03:35 PM »

Quote from: skki3330 on April 28, 2011, 10:54 PM

Thank you Monkian

I did get this from a bloke who runs a bike store who said they were old stock that they used to have back in the 80's and the warehouse where they were kept caught fire and most of the frames were no good so got scraped but a few get kept and now they have been rediscovered, i was a tad sus about these frames until another member bought one and it looked like a real HH. Anyway im very happy with it.
I would love to keep it the same colour but there are some chips and marks still i just might live with them.

When you can find more info that would be great.

that yellowy/grey colour is just a base coat, straight out the factory......

mine went straight off to superbikedan

xGoose · « **Reply #13 on:** April 29, 2011, 04:25 PM »

Nice

The only other bike Id love to spend time building if I could get my hands on one! Had one as a kid.. cant even remember what happened to it! (maybe swapped it for a Master System game) (Same colour and everything!)

Keep it OG!

DJL · « **Reply #14 on:** April 29, 2011, 04:54 PM »

Quote from: x-600se on April 29, 2011, 04:25 PM

Nice

The only other bike Id love to spend time building if I could get my hands on one! Had one as a kid.. cant even remember what happened to it! (maybe swapped it for a Master System game) (Same colour and everything!)

Keep it OG!

its not even a proper layer of paint, its very very thin and doesn't even cover the whole frame (mine didn't anyway.....)

stidds · « **Reply #15 on:** April 29, 2011, 07:27 PM »

Quote from: PHIPPSIO on April 28, 2011, 10:46 PM

Surely they were made on the same jigs. The difference as far as i can see is the gusset, otherwise they look like quality looptail frames like the ET Model. Did they use looptails in the movie?

If I recall correctly, the Kuwahara ET has different dimensions than the Tange HH. Isn't the seat post tube lower on the ET? Surely one of the ET experts will chime in.

skki3330 · « **Reply #16 on:** April 29, 2011, 08:41 PM »

Yeah the paint is a bit thin in places but if i was going to spray i would prob go for a cream/white colour anyway so i might just build it up and see what it comes out like.

StellaAtoiz · « **Reply #17 on:** April 29, 2011, 08:43 PM »

DJL · « **Reply #18 on:** April 29, 2011, 09:04 PM »

Quote from: StellaAtoiz on April 29, 2011, 08:43 PM

ski.

Was this the one that was on Ebid a week or so ago?

Nice buy by the way

pretty sure it was, same seller i got mine off.......

StellaAtoiz · « **Reply #19 on:** April 29, 2011, 09:14 PM »

1mancity2 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 29, 2011, 09:32 PM »

If the paint is chipping and you want to restore to original, try and get a piece around 10mm long and send it to me, I will send it of and get an exact match for you

monkian · « **Reply #21 on:** April 29, 2011, 09:36 PM »

Quote from: Stidds on April 29, 2011, 07:27 PM

Quote from: PHIPPSIO on April 28, 2011, 10:46 PM

Surely they were made on the same jigs. The difference as far as i can see is the gusset, otherwise they look like quality looptail frames like the ET Model. Did they use looptails in the movie?

If I recall correctly, the Kuwahara ET has different dimensions than the Tange HH. Isn't the seat post tube lower on the ET? Surely one of the ET experts will chime in.

Now you mention it, I have a vague memory of someone mentioning a slight difference in the geometry or something.
I guess that could have been in a comparison against a full Cr-Mo Hot Heart but it would be good to know for sure

JOO · « **Reply #22 on:** April 29, 2011, 09:48 PM »

I am near Burnley and i found 3 frames a while ago that someone had tipped off in my scrap yard and they looked like that

and there was one on ebay at the same time the seller was a bike shop in Burnley very strange where they all came from.(these have been sold ages ago)