Author Topic: one for the mongoose 'experts' i think(if you'll pardon the pun) ;) (Read 10884 times)

lk_97 · « **on:** January 23, 2011, 08:16 PM »

well basically, why was there a mongoose expert,cali and supergoose, was the expert just a lower spec version of these, just wondering really, thats the reason i highlighted the 'experts' as a bit of a pun
Lucas.

bobafett · « **Reply #1 on:** January 24, 2011, 01:49 PM »

Right then the old expert/cali thing again

OK first off the full size 20" range for 1983 (your frame that you posted up in an earlier thread is an 83) went like this (top to bottom)

Pro-Class
Supergoose
Californian
Expert

The pro-class was special thin-wall full chr-mo tubes throughout, forks included. The rear triangle tubes are a thicker dimension than the cali/expert.
The supergoose was all tubes chr-mo with the thicker rear triangle tubes also (but not thin wall chr-mo) and it had chr-mo forks too.
The cali and expert (in 83) both had main tube chr-mo and rear triangle tubes steel these frames are often refered to as trimoly. The forks were steel too. The tubes on the rear triangle were thinner outer dimension than the pro-class and supergoose.

Many people with a 1983 trimoly mongoose frame ask is it a cali or an expert and it is difficult to give an answer - the main difference between the 2 for 1983 was the parts on the full assembled bike. The cali was designed to be a little more lightweight and slightly more "casual track use friendly" so it had alloy pro-class wheels, and quick change spider with alloy chainring whereas the expert had pro-steel wheels and a steel chainwheel.

There is however a slight difference in the 2 frames when you study the official mongoose pics of the era.

The rear tubes on the expert meet the seat tube higher up and some use this as an identifier for an early expert .

However, when you factor into that the fact that the expert wasn't sold as a model in the UK and the fact that in the UK 83 catalogue the californian shown bares more resemblance to the frame style of the expert in the US catalogue and add further into the mix the "sticker them up and get them sold" mass production at the time and it's a mess !

The basic rule of thumb if you are doing a stock build would be to pick the stickers to match the build components you will use - after that I guess it's take your pick.

It's a little bit easier for other years as the expert was trimoly with the californian turning full chr-mo (some full chr-mo frames have been found with survivor expert decals on though and at least one test article has the expert as full chr-mo although all other literature goes to the contrary - you gotta love mongoose !

)

So there you have it - clear as mud

Certainly from a marketing point of view the expert was always the lower spec compared to the californian (later on came the M1 which was even more budget minded with an all tubes steel construction but lets not go there now

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trasher · « **Reply #2 on:** January 24, 2011, 02:36 PM »

Geek

bobafett · « **Reply #3 on:** January 24, 2011, 02:58 PM »

Quote from: the gay pensioner on January 24, 2011, 02:36 PM

Greek

No it's all in English Glen put yer glasses back on you old git

markyp · « **Reply #4 on:** January 24, 2011, 05:43 PM »

john did you swallow a mongoose encyclopedia?

lk_97 · « **Reply #5 on:** January 24, 2011, 05:57 PM »

cheers dude, so basically I could put cali stickers on? I think I'll go for the expert decals but was just wondering :L
But thanks for the info, made a good read, I've got a bit of an update on the mongoose anyway so will post some pics up soon?
Would it be normal to put pro-class bars on this?
Cheers for the info, Lucas.

southern andy · « **Reply #6 on:** January 24, 2011, 06:28 PM »

Quote from: the gay pensioner on January 24, 2011, 02:36 PM

Geek

trasher · « **Reply #7 on:** January 24, 2011, 06:49 PM »

carl............ so john whats the difference between an expert , supergoose , proclass ,etc

john ...........where do i start ,,,,,,,well its like this ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

an hour later

carl ,murmers to himself ,,,,,,,, wish i'd never fookin asked ,,,,,,,,,,

john thinks to himself ,,,im the fookin bolloks ,,,,,,,,,, and is so proud of himself

markyp · « **Reply #8 on:** January 24, 2011, 07:00 PM »

meticulous · « **Reply #9 on:** January 24, 2011, 07:05 PM »

they look a nice couple....

bobafett · « **Reply #10 on:** January 24, 2011, 08:57 PM »

Fookin LOL Glen

You crack me up mate

spyderpit13 · « **Reply #11 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:04 PM »

,glen..... but jon, you still blow my mind with your "goose" knowlege....

NORTY40 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:06 PM »

FPMSL Glen

Quality mate

In2 bmx · « **Reply #13 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:18 PM »

Fookin Quality Glen ..

rollin72 · « **Reply #14 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:38 PM »

and 6 months earlier...
jase thats the fookin difference between blah blah
joff...ffs john not again

and i dont know who that nosy fooker is in the corner

trasher · « **Reply #15 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:50 PM »

joff .......................... i'v told the cnut i dont want to hear anymore about geese ,and to go and fook off ,,,, but he keeps following me

john ......................... did i tell you about the motomag ,,or the not motomag

oldschoolrb · « **Reply #16 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:54 PM »

what about the uk supergoose !!

trasher · « **Reply #17 on:** January 24, 2011, 09:58 PM »

iv just told those guys behind me about the uk supergoose
and there gobsmacked

im getting the fook out of here before i bore anyone else and get twatted

rollin72 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 24, 2011, 10:00 PM »

bobafett · « **Reply #19 on:** January 25, 2011, 02:17 PM »

Quality

NORTY40 · « **Reply #20 on:** January 25, 2011, 02:51 PM »

This should be a thread on it's own

NORTY40 · « **Reply #21 on:** January 25, 2011, 03:16 PM »

John looks on knowing that he blew his chance the moment he started talking about the manufacturing process of a mongoose 28tpi bottom bracket

She did say she preferred my Kuwi over the goose anyway John

mattfx81 · « **Reply #22 on:** January 25, 2011, 03:40 PM »

THis would look good as your monday night coppull helmet Bobafett-

http://www.bmxtalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=33145

trasher · « **Reply #23 on:** January 25, 2011, 05:16 PM »

Quote from: NORTY40 on January 25, 2011, 03:16 PM

John looks on knowing that he blew his chance the moment he started talking about the manufacturing process of a mongoose 28tpi bottom bracket

She did say she preferred my Kuwi over the goose anyway John

he was fooked as soon as he mentioned the word mong