frame id ?

[BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN]

Picked this up from a mate this morning

chrome frame - bottom tube is tear drop aero - top tube is round but has a slight oval to top and bottom, strange to describe as it's not oval like some frames and not round completely ?
three hole gusset under plates
brake bridge is round with round brake stay button
on the rear drop outs - one side is stamped CR-MO - other side is T4082363 ?
forks have a tear drop to them - solid bottom with a hole in each leg
stem is a flip loader - don't know if this is correct for bike or what year or make it is ? anyone !
seat is layback with Cr -Mo on the top of it where the seat clamp is
seat post clamp says BMX on it ?

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and i can't work out what the decal would have been ?




cheers B

[adenough]

Muddy Fox??

[THIRSTYKIRSTY]

looks like a generic tange fisheye drop out frame

used by a load of firms

[fischflo]

probably 1984 Akisu    akisu 
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/akisu/38861

EDIT:  Hm, not so sure anymore --- the lower backstays look different.
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another akisu: http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=178373     dropouts very similar. can't see the gusset (if there is one). backstays seem same.

[BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN]

jaymz has done a bit of magic with his computer and recaon the words could be MMACO ?  missing a A at some time ?

[BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN]

second look at the second found Akisu, and it looks a 99% match so far ?

[fischflo]

i'd say 95%  as we haven't found the gusset yet

here's something to read for ya , haven't read it yet myself---- burt seems to be your bike at first glance-----maybe these guy found out what it is   bon appétit
--->http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D27029939


EDIT:  just read it --  most say its shwinn Thrasher---- i tend to believe the last guy more in this case: "akisu", because i seem to remember that the gusset is slighty different in a thrasher, the dropouts even more

96,5% 

[BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN]

I can see why they think it might be a schwinn thasher - and why he was told a cycle pro as well - both have a similar look - but i'm mostly think it's gonna be a Akisu 82'

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/cycle_pro/30347

from what i can see of the frame and geometry it's not bad - as most people come to know the name Akisu, as cheaper second rate maker of frames and parts - i think this has a good feel about it and can hold it's own against some of the better makes from 82'

it has nice welds on it - geomitry looks ok - and it's looks are ok and with the different tubing it's cool  i will clean it up and see what would work for it with parts 

a big cheers to fischflo 

84 Akisu - seem to near match with frame
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/akisu/38034


83 Akisu - forks and frame  are a close match
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/akisu/37470


85  Akisu - brake bridge sems to match
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/akisu/9669

so it seem to be most parts of the above ones  - AKISU 100%

Cheers all  B

[fischflo]

boing,  we got it nailed, Mr. Bendycat 

proper frame, cool tubing and it's in good nick ....what more need one say, bring er up!   



 

[BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN]

BUT - now there's a guy on Museum saying  T4 = TANGE ? 

[fischflo]

yea, Madd Dogg said tange , too also the T was bugging me aswell . Now whatta we do? 

can't you just pay that guy on museum to stop saying that ... ?

nah, lets see if we can find a Tange zthat can take it up with our akisu 

dum di dumm....

[BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN]

would like it better if it was Tange !   but all the other Akisu bikes on museum seem very similaur with bits of parts ?

could tange make it and Akisu copy it ? could Akisu make it and send it to Tange ? could Akisu send tange the parts to put it together ? has any one seen a serial number like that ? is it like a Tange number ?

my brain is frying ficshflo 

anybody out there help as well ?

cheers B 

[fischflo]

Is Tange better...?

If you have an account on museum, why don't you ask that akisu guy from the 2nd link i sent --- if his has our kind of gusset. Or our kind of frame#.

[Jaymz]

I can see why they think it might be a schwinn thasher - and why he was told a cycle pro as well - both have a similar look - but i'm mostly think it's gonna be a Akisu 82'

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/cycle_pro/30347
Cheers all  B

bendy, that cyclepro has macho on the frame. . .so close to mmaco as per my post on RB.com, now that has put a cat amongst my pigeons!!!

[northern dean]

I think you have a frame and forks made by a company called DRAGON.
I used to ride one these in 1984.

[bmxbob]

Ammaco Team pro 

[BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN]

tell me more dean  

[BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN]

ficshflo - lee from burnerworld put this pic up and said he had one bitd - but can't remeber if Tange of Akisu ?

only the under gusset is not on

[fischflo]

another cousin http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=640556 this time its got the gusset, but the drops are different 

the observation of one guy -'Pretender'- again, if its correct, enforces our conclusion:  "MT, Cyclepro, Norco and a few others had this type of gusset on some of their Akisu frames."   

....apparently it's called  the 'holy gusset' LOL              oOO       

[BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN]

looking at his it looks like blind monkeys made that  mine has a different feel to it - it looks like some one know how to weld a frame

his doesn't have a T on it and the Cr-Mo is different along with the serial stamp, the way it is done ? and check out the poorly done "holy gusset holes" compared to mine ?

looking at them side by side you can see his is badly done and cheap looking ?

[fischflo]

looking at them side by side you can see his is badly done and cheap looking ?

    ....maybe the welder just had a better day on your bike 

A) read what alano has to say about that/your kind of brake bridge:
-->http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index.php'showtopic=27025471&pid=697280&mode=threaded&show=&st=#entry697280
-->http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index.php'showtopic=27025471&pid=707462&mode=threaded&show=&st=#entry707462
B)            ((........ he seems to be right about this: http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=1491666#p1491666))

C)^^ check out the 'weepholes' in the chainstays by the bottombracket --- ....?.

"D)" http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=2039352   ........ akisu typical welds? Several people say so!

  if it only weren't for that stupid serial#  In the end, it just may be a Tange afterall -- then again, show me a Tange with a holy gusset LOL

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/stormer/34011   same dropouts?    foxbat, too, seems to have those 

have you asked the 2nd link guy yet?
would also be good to ask lee if he knew for the name of hisa bike (wild shot: aero destroyer? )
"Take the forks off and look at the steerer tube as it may be stamped on there." (retrogeezer)
 

[BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN]

nothing on the fork tube

most evidence points to it being a Akisu

as for the T ?

one thing that i did wonder about is the process at the Akisu factory - if other brands where made there or not ? as some peeps have said they made frames for other companys ?

so if they made frames for a living - did they have a low end and a high end ?  as it seems that some of the frames are badly done and some have seen a bit more love care and attention when being made with a higher spec feel

so i'm going to say AKISU TANGE COPY HIGHER END FRAME

It has parts/geomitry similuar to most of the Akisu found in threads
it has a nice geomitry and a better made feel to it
clean welds
and a overall feel that, if had it not been for a different serial number and a coulpe of bits found out afters searching - that it could have been classified as a Tange made frame

I'm gonna give it a clean and see what it come up like - then work out what parts to build it up like



A big thank you to Ficshflo for all his work on finding threads and about it

[Jaymz]

on a side note the stem looks like a Kusuki Hinged stem

[BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN]

all read what scrapload thinks ? now i am confussed 

[RATTY]

Guys, from memory Akisu made loads of frames for lots of different companies, I had one a couple of years ago that looked the same as that, couldnt fault the quality, and Im sure when I made enquiries Akisu was a manufacturer who churned out loads of stuff, mainly for other "manufacturers"