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Offline BENDYCAT ELEVENTEEN

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« on: September 19, 2010, 03:03 PM »
Picked this up from a mate this morning

chrome frame - bottom tube is tear drop aero - top tube is round but has a slight oval to top and bottom, strange to describe as it's not oval like some frames and not round completely ?
three hole gusset under plates
brake bridge is round with round brake stay button
on the rear drop outs - one side is stamped CR-MO - other side is T4082363 ?
forks have a tear drop to them - solid bottom with a hole in each leg
stem is a flip loader - don't know if this is correct for bike or what year or make it is ? anyone !
seat is layback with Cr -Mo on the top of it where the seat clamp is
seat post clamp says BMX on it ?

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and i can't work out what the decal would have been ?




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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2010, 03:11 PM »
Muddy Fox?????

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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2010, 03:23 PM »
looks like a generic tange fisheye drop out frame

used by a load of firms

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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2010, 03:44 PM »
probably 1984 Akisu    akisu  :D
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/akisu/38861

EDIT:  Hm, not so sure anymore --- the lower backstays look different.
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another akisu: http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=178373     dropouts very similar. can't see the gusset (if there is one). backstays seem same.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2010, 04:32 PM by fischflo »

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« Reply #4 on: September 19, 2010, 07:11 PM »
jaymz has done a bit of magic with his computer and recaon the words could be MMACO ?  missing a A at some time ?
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2010, 07:48 PM »
second look at the second found Akisu, and it looks a 99% match so far ?
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« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2010, 08:22 PM »
i'd say 95%  ;D as we haven't found the gusset yet

here's something to read for ya , haven't read it yet myself---- burt seems to be your bike at first glance-----maybe these guy found out what it is   bon appétit ;)
--->http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index.php%3Fshowtopic%3D27029939


EDIT:  just read it --  most say its shwinn Thrasher---- i tend to believe the last guy more in this case: "akisu", because i seem to remember that the gusset is slighty different in a thrasher, the dropouts even more

96,5%  :D
« Last Edit: September 19, 2010, 08:35 PM by fischflo »

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« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2010, 09:33 PM »
I can see why they think it might be a schwinn thasher - and why he was told a cycle pro as well - both have a similar look - but i'm mostly think it's gonna be a Akisu 82'

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/cycle_pro/30347

from what i can see of the frame and geometry it's not bad - as most people come to know the name Akisu, as cheaper second rate maker of frames and parts - i think this has a good feel about it and can hold it's own against some of the better makes from 82'

it has nice welds on it - geomitry looks ok - and it's looks are ok and with the different tubing it's cool  8) i will clean it up and see what would work for it with parts  ;)

a big cheers to fischflo  :daumenhoch:

84 Akisu - seem to near match with frame
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/akisu/38034


83 Akisu - forks and frame  are a close match
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/akisu/37470


85  Akisu - brake bridge sems to match
http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/akisu/9669

so it seem to be most parts of the above ones  - AKISU 100%

Cheers all  8) B
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« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2010, 10:14 PM »

boing,  we got it nailed, Mr. Bendycat  :coolsmiley:

proper frame, cool tubing and it's in good nick ....what more need one say, bring er up!   :daumenhoch:



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« Reply #9 on: September 19, 2010, 11:23 PM »
BUT - now there's a guy on Museum saying  T4 = TANGE ? 


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« Reply #10 on: September 19, 2010, 11:43 PM »
yea, Madd Dogg said tange , too :-\ also the T was bugging me aswell . Now whatta we do?  :(

can't you just pay that guy on museum to stop saying that ... ? :D

nah, lets see if we can find a Tange zthat can take it up with our akisu  :yahoo_silent: :smiley6600:

dum di dumm....
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« Reply #11 on: September 19, 2010, 11:48 PM »
would like it better if it was Tange !   but all the other Akisu bikes on museum seem very similaur with bits of parts ?

could tange make it and Akisu copy it ? could Akisu make it and send it to Tange ? could Akisu send tange the parts to put it together ? has any one seen a serial number like that ? is it like a Tange number ?

my brain is frying ficshflo  ;D :D

anybody out there help as well ?

cheers B  ;) :D :idiot2:
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« Reply #12 on: September 20, 2010, 12:36 AM »
Is Tange better...?

If you have an account on museum, why don't you ask that akisu guy from the 2nd link i sent --- if his has our kind of gusset. Or our kind of frame#.


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« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2010, 08:30 AM »
I can see why they think it might be a schwinn thasher - and why he was told a cycle pro as well - both have a similar look - but i'm mostly think it's gonna be a Akisu 82'

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/cycle_pro/30347
Cheers all  8) B

bendy, that cyclepro has macho on the frame. . .so close to mmaco as per my post on RB.com, now that has put a cat amongst my pigeons!!!

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« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2010, 09:50 AM »
I think you have a frame and forks made by a company called DRAGON.
I used to ride one these in 1984.

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« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2010, 10:14 AM »
Ammaco Team pro  ???

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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2010, 10:14 AM »
tell me more dean  ;)
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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2010, 10:20 PM »
ficshflo - lee from burnerworld put this pic up and said he had one bitd - but can't remeber if Tange of Akisu ?

only the under gusset is not on

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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2010, 10:42 PM »

another cousin http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=640556 this time its got the gusset, but the drops are different  :laugh:

the observation of one guy -'Pretender'- again, if its correct, enforces our conclusion:  "MT, Cyclepro, Norco and a few others had this type of gusset on some of their Akisu frames."   

....apparently it's called  :angel: the 'holy gusset' LOL              oOO  :LolLolLolLol:     

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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2010, 11:21 PM »
looking at his it looks like blind monkeys made that  :shocked: mine has a different feel to it - it looks like some one know how to weld a frame

his doesn't have a T on it and the Cr-Mo is different along with the serial stamp, the way it is done ? and check out the poorly done "holy gusset holes" compared to mine ?

looking at them side by side you can see his is badly done and cheap looking ?
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2010, 01:21 AM »
looking at them side by side you can see his is badly done and cheap looking ?
    ....maybe the welder just had a better day on your bike  :P

A) read what alano has to say about that/your kind of brake bridge:
-->http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index.php'showtopic=27025471&pid=697280&mode=threaded&show=&st=#entry697280
-->http://www.vintagebmx.com/community/index.php'showtopic=27025471&pid=707462&mode=threaded&show=&st=#entry707462
B)            ((........ he seems to be right about this: http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=1491666#p1491666))

C)^^ check out the 'weepholes' in the chainstays by the bottombracket --- ....?.

"D)" http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?pid=2039352   ........ akisu typical welds? Several people say so!

 >:( if it only weren't for that stupid serial#  :10_2_12: In the end, it just may be a Tange afterall -- then again, show me a Tange with a holy gusset LOL ;D

http://bmxmuseum.com/bikes/stormer/34011   same dropouts?    foxbat, too, seems to have those  :crazy2:

have you asked the 2nd link guy yet?
would also be good to ask lee if he knew for the name of hisa bike (wild shot: aero destroyer? :-X)
"Take the forks off and look at the steerer tube as it may be stamped on there." (retrogeezer)
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« Last Edit: September 21, 2010, 04:05 AM by fischflo »

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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2010, 01:35 PM »
nothing on the fork tube

most evidence points to it being a Akisu

as for the T ?

one thing that i did wonder about is the process at the Akisu factory - if other brands where made there or not ? as some peeps have said they made frames for other companys ?

so if they made frames for a living - did they have a low end and a high end ?  as it seems that some of the frames are badly done and some have seen a bit more love care and attention when being made with a higher spec feel

so i'm going to say AKISU TANGE COPY HIGHER END FRAME

It has parts/geomitry similuar to most of the Akisu found in threads
it has a nice geomitry and a better made feel to it
clean welds
and a overall feel that, if had it not been for a different serial number and a coulpe of bits found out afters searching - that it could have been classified as a Tange made frame

I'm gonna give it a clean and see what it come up like - then work out what parts to build it up like



A big thank you to Ficshflo for all his work on finding threads and about it
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2010, 05:41 PM »
on a side note the stem looks like a Kusuki Hinged stem

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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2010, 11:43 PM »
all read what scrapload thinks ? now i am confussed  :D
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« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2010, 12:02 AM »
Guys, from memory Akisu made loads of frames for lots of different companies, I had one a couple of years ago that looked the same as that, couldnt fault the quality, and Im sure when I made enquiries Akisu was a manufacturer who churned out loads of stuff, mainly for other "manufacturers"
A long time ago, in a land far away!

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