S&M Spotters Guide

[monkian]

Can anyone help point me in the right direction. Serial number clues, designs changes etc.
I've got a chance of buying one but I'd like to know what's what.

Thanks in advance, Paul

[Bettyswallocks]

Come on spill the beans

What have you been offered?

[monkian]

As soon as I know, you'll be the the first to know
No wait the second to know

[Bettyswallocks]

Useful link for old ads and stuff

http://ryanpartridge.blogspot.com/

Theres shedloads of S&M's on bmx museum and its always worth having a good look round the mid section on ere

[monkian]

Thanks for the link
I've had a look around the usual places and I'm getting a better idea.
I could still do with knowing how to read a serial number

[andy_116]

SMD at the start means dirtbike, HXL means Holmes if that helps

[monkian]

SMD at the start means dirtbike, HXL means Holmes if that helps

Cool. So it's a Dirtbike
Just need to find the year now. 4 digits?

[Bettyswallocks]

I dont think you can date frames from the serial number, if its a nineties frame you're looking at it'll have a three letter/4 digit serial number

Dirtbike SMD ****
Holmes HXL ****
Challenger SCP **** or SCP L **** (long version)

Hope that helps...  


Edit.... i typed that out before seeing the reply above... lol

[monkian]

So you only get the year from the design spec.
Double thick drop-outs, chain-stay lugs any other pointers?

[Bettyswallocks]

Double drop out frames are early ones, 90/91 ish

990 lugs on the chainstays were optional so some have em some dont... 

[monkian]

OK, thanks for all your help
So I guess the double drop-outs were replaced by a single thicker drop out.

[kev-s]

also early ones came with plates instead of tubes connecting the seat and chain stays, early ones also had thinner chain and seat stay tubes iirc

[monkian]

Thanks man
I'm working on getting some pics. I'll post them as soon as.

[andy_116]

any luck with those pictures? im intrigued

[monkian]

any luck with those pictures? im intrigued

Unfortunately, still nothing from the guy
Not sure it's going to happen

[monkian]

Unfortunately it didn't happen. Here's some shots though.
Dirt Bike but the year was the issue.

[Rory2]

i saw those on ebay for sale in hastings area, isnt it  an oversize dirtbike ?
the seller didnt give much measurement info on auction

[ben5575]

I *think* that my two Dirtbikes are ‘94’s if this helps...

Some pictures here on Pink Bike (sorry ):

http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/4668483/  (bought off Craig on here)

http://ben5575.pinkbike.com/album/1994-SandM-Dirt-Bike-Black/ (bought off eBay, images pre paint)

O/T Just in case 'The Captain’ happens to read this post, this is what came of your Da Bomb CR8 frame you sold me back in November last year.  As you can see I had a little fun with it!!!
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/4651059/


Ben

[monkian]

i saw those on ebay for sale in hastings area, isnt it  an oversize dirtbike ?
the seller didnt give much measurement info on auction

Yeah, that's the one. Not much info (Frame No: smd8078) and he didn't get the extra pics to me.
I wanted to work something out but now it's not available

I *think* that my two Dirtbikes are ‘94’s if this helps...

Ben

Looks pretty similar to my untrained eye

[ben5575]

The bike in my second link is frame #SMD8455 and is deffo a 1".  I would therefore assume that the frame you were looking at pre dates it and would also be 1"

Ben

[monkian]

Makes sense to me. Thanks man
Shame I missed out.

[SaMAlex]

I have got a frame number from a 1" dirtbike that is SMD9323, although thats an odd one. Most of the latest ones are around 6000ish. Ive also got an Over Sized one that is SMD7728. I guess that frame number could be OS or 1" but it was probably right around the time they started doing Over sized frames (they did both for a while). The clamp on stem in the pic suggests its Over sized.

[thecaptain]

I *think* that my two Dirtbikes are ‘94’s if this helps...

Some pictures here on Pink Bike (sorry ):

http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/4668483/  (bought off Craig on here)

http://ben5575.pinkbike.com/album/1994-SandM-Dirt-Bike-Black/ (bought off eBay, images pre paint)

O/T Just in case 'The Captain’ happens to read this post, this is what came of your Da Bomb CR8 frame you sold me back in November last year.  As you can see I had a little fun with it!!!
http://www.pinkbike.com/photo/4651059/


Ben

thats pretty sweet mate, however I dont remember selling that frame...

[ben5575]

Jeeez, I was convinced I bought it from a female dog who lights fires on eBay    Sorry 'bout that, I must be losing it - I am sure it was off somebody on here.

Ben

[thecaptain]

Jeeez, I was convinced I bought it from a female dog who lights fires on eBay    Sorry 'bout that, I must be losing it - I am sure it was off somebody on here.

Ben

after a re-think, I think it may have been me after all, long time ago though, sweet to see it built up mate