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Offline bobafett

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Can't remember seeing one but just thought since it was a material used for BMX back in the day with mongoose doing stainless steel bars and seat tubes........

.....did any company ever build / try to build a full stainless steel frame & forks BITD ?

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not sure about frames, but they made foooookin loadsa forks ::)

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not sure about frames, but they made foooookin loadsa forks ::)
Most were made in Sheffield I think ::)

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not sure about frames, but they made foooookin loadsa forks ::)
Most were made in Sheffield I think ::)

Would they be the forks of a yorkshire ripper  ::)

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stainless steel is not as strong as mild steel or chromoly so would not have been suitable... :)
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stainless steel is not as strong as mild steel or chromoly so would not have been suitable... :)

Not true Sam, Stainless Steel is just as strong however you need to use thicker guage tubing so would not be as light as Cro-Moly  :daumenhoch:  Mongoose made the SS Bars for years and I don't recall any significant issues with them breaking but I do recall my mate being amazed how heavy they were when he changed his ones for alloy Race Inc bars (which broke 6 months later).

Edited to correct spelling  ::)
« Last Edit: February 26, 2010, 03:53 PM by MartyC »


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was the piranha made of cast iron :LolLolLolLol:

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not sure about frames, but they made foooookin loadsa forks ::)
Most were made in Sheffield I think ::)

Would they be the forks of a yorkshire ripper  ::)



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was the piranha made of cast iron :LolLolLolLol:

fookin toobs were filled with lead as well.

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was the piranha made of cast iron :LolLolLolLol:

fookin toobs were filled with lead as well.

..and they could bite off yer fingers..
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stainless steel is not as strong as mild steel or chromoly so would not have been suitable... :)


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how many types of stainless are there sam?
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I just found this on here: http://redlinebmx.wordpress.com/2007/11/22/1985-redlines/

'The 1985 500b is also the first time a Redline frame is not 100% 4130.
The back end on this model is high tensile steel and the bikes are stamped
on the bottom bracket (BB) as Tri-Moly.'

Don't know if that counts as stainless steel ???
« Last Edit: March 09, 2010, 12:26 PM by monkian »

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Wouldn't have thought hi-tensile steel could be classed as stainless steel.

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the tensile strength of 316 stainless(a pretty standard stainless) is the same as 4130, as is it's rockwell hardness(standard hardness scale). the main difference between the 2 materials is the chromium and nickel content in stainless. it's because of the high nickel and chromium content that it has that nice colour and doesn't rust. Stainless is also about 30 + times more expensive than cro-mo and has a slightly lower yield strength(the point at which material deforms under stress or the elasticity) but it's still high enough to use.

JUST FOR REFERENCE
 Cr is chromium, Mo is molybdenum, C is carbon, Mn is manganese, P is phosphorus, S is sulphur (or sulfur if your a yank), Si is silicon and Ni is nickel.
the bulk of both is Fe or iron


4130 cro-mo has in it

 % Cr               % Mo             % C            % Mn         % P (max)     % S (max)     % Si
0.80–1.10    0.15–0.25    0.28–0.33    0.40–0.60                0.035    0.040         0.15–0.35

316(316-316L-316H as in carbon content low normal or high) stainless steel has in it

 % Cr               % Mo             % C              % Mn                    % P (max)     % S (max)    % Si               %Ni             
16.0-18.0            2.0-3.0          0.03-0.10         0.04-2.0                    0.045             0.030          0-0.75        10.0-14.0
   
316L tends to be thicker stuff for welding(above 6mm)

316 is available in most pipe sizes, well we had them at the last place i worked. I had a few lengths of 22mm stashed to make some bars and seatposts from, but the place closed down.

4130 case hardens very well and easily, which is good for making a material hard but not brittle as only the outer skin of the material is hardened.

stainless 2205 is harder/stronger but you get to silly money for the materials.


i reckon the main reason would be that it's not economically viable, and resistant to stress cracking.

there are loads of different types of stainless, but the they get more expensive and harder to work with when you move away from the common 304 316 types.

examples with family/grades/advantages/limmitations

Ferritic

410S (1.4000)
430 (1.4016)
446 (1.4749)
 Low cost, moderate corrosion resistance & good formability.

Nominal corrosion resistance formability, weld-ability & elevated temperature strength.

Austenitic

304 (1.4301)
316 (1.4401)
Good corrosion resistance and  cryogenic toughness. Excellent formability & weldability. Widely available.

Limited resistance to stress corrosion cracking. Work hardening can limit. formability & machinability.


Duplex

2205 (1.4462)

Good mechanical strength.Very good pitting, crevice and stress corrosion cracking (scc) resistance.

Application temperature range more restricted than austenitics. More expensive, and less widely available than austenitics.

 



Martensitic

420 (1.4021)
431 (1.4057)

Low cost, hardenable by heat treatment with high hardness.

Limited formability & weldability.Nominal corrosion resistance.

Precipitation

17/4PH (1.4542)

Strengthenable by heat treatment hardening giving better toughness and corrosion resistance than martensitics. Weldability better than martensitics.

Restricted availability, corrosion resistance & formability.


right, that's enough boring info.

to put it in a sentance:-

 too dear, too awkward. :-*
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i got bored typing it ;D
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to put it in a sentance:-       too dear, too awkward. :-*


OK  :)

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i did my best to cover all I.Q's :LolLolLolLol: :10_2_12:
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