Author Topic: Tange 303 Vs Tange 320 Headset (Read 39322 times)

cwbmx · « **Reply #25 on:** February 25, 2010, 01:21 AM »

What is needed is a true picture of a 320 Tange.
Not pictures from someone trying to run up the bids on his 303.

Wouldn't you agree?

Does anyone have a Tange 320 headset with the 8 sided top nut and adjusting cone?

Bob_Acid · « **Reply #26 on:** February 25, 2010, 01:25 AM »

I've got a vintage 320 on my TA, i'll have to have a good look at it. I seem to remember that they came in a clear plastic box all spread out in foam sections. It stands to reason that they would have mixed the two in the late 80's to sell the stuff off though.

Excellent who dunnit thread.

monkian · « **Reply #27 on:** February 25, 2010, 01:29 AM »

Quote from: cwbmx on February 25, 2010, 01:21 AM

What is needed is a true picture of a 320 Tange.
Not pictures from someone trying to run up the bids on his 303.

Wouldn't you agree?

Does anyone have a Tange 320 headset with the 8 sided top nut and adjusting cone?

That's the idea

No one here has come to any conclusions on the subject.
If you read what's been said already that includes the validity of the information presented.

If you've got anything factual that backs up or disputes it that would be useful

monkian · « **Reply #28 on:** February 25, 2010, 01:30 AM »

Quote from: Bob_Acid on February 25, 2010, 01:25 AM

I've got a vintage 320 on my TA, i'll have to have a good look at it. I seem to remember that they came in a clear plastic box all spread out in foam sections. It stands to reason that they would have mixed the two in the late 80's to sell the stuff off though.

Excellent who dunnit thread.

That should do the trick

cwbmx · « **Reply #29 on:** February 25, 2010, 01:40 AM »

Here ya' go...... But I see 8 and 6 sided. Post #10 To make it even more murky the top washer is Beartrap on the 8 sided.

http://bmxmuseum.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=13526

Zippy · « **Reply #30 on:** February 25, 2010, 07:29 AM »

Just popped out to the garage to look at the 320 on my Robbo race bike and it has an 8 sided nut with washer and it's also a beartrap.

monkian · « **Reply #31 on:** February 25, 2010, 11:13 AM »

Quote from: Zippy on February 25, 2010, 07:29 AM

Just popped out to the garage to look at the 320 on my Robbo race bike and it has an 8 sided nut with washer and it's also a beartrap.

Nice one Holmes

The photos in the museum also show 320's with 8 sided nuts, one with a beartrap (along with one that looks like ours)

The plot thickens...

Zippy · « **Reply #32 on:** February 25, 2010, 12:09 PM »

Yup, that's the one I have but in chrome with a Blue decal.

HUTCHMAN · « **Reply #33 on:** February 25, 2010, 03:32 PM »

Just realised,i kind of have one on these. Mine came in a grey Tioga box with BEARTRAP 4 SL on it. The headset sounds like Zippy's,blue band in chrome with the teeth in the top cup.

Forgot to add,locknut is octagonal.

monkian · « **Reply #34 on:** February 25, 2010, 03:38 PM »

Quote from: HUTCHMAN on February 25, 2010, 03:32 PM

Just realised,i kind of have one on these. Mine came in a grey Tioga box with BEARTRAP 4 SL on it. The headset sounds like Zippy's,blue band in chrome with the teeth in the top cup.

Forgot to add,locknut is octagonal.

I was looking at those last night.
I guess the head nut might be stamped Tioga rather than Tange but it has Tange on the decals

http://martinbike.jalbum.net/Bike%20Builder/Headsets/slides/15b0_1.html

HUTCHMAN · « **Reply #35 on:** February 25, 2010, 03:41 PM »

Quote from: Glen on February 25, 2010, 03:37 PM

Dave, lets see it mate!

I'll have to wait till my I.T consultant (my eldest) comes home from college,i'm thick as sh#t when it comes to things like photos/photobucket.

monkian · « **Reply #36 on:** February 25, 2010, 04:07 PM »

It's looking like the Tioga 4SL & Tange 320 could be one and the same:

HUTCHMAN · « **Reply #37 on:** February 25, 2010, 04:18 PM »

is the top of the top cone on the 320 serrated for the beartrap toothed locking washer?

Just dug out the box one of mine came in,it's a little box like an MX125 comes in. Also found the top locking nuts that my headsets came with,one came stamped TANGE MOTOCROSS JAPAN and the other simply TIOGA JAPAN.

monkian · « **Reply #38 on:** February 25, 2010, 04:34 PM »

As a visual reference to back up the original post,
here's a 303 (6 sided nut, stamped Motorcross Tange Japan):

HUTCHMAN · « **Reply #39 on:** February 25, 2010, 05:46 PM »

pics arn't brill,but good for me though.

monkian · « **Reply #40 on:** February 25, 2010, 05:51 PM »

So does that Beartrap washer just sit on a smooth top cup or does it have the locking grooves?

If that makes sense.

HUTCHMAN · « **Reply #41 on:** February 25, 2010, 06:01 PM »

The mating face on top of the upper cup(on my headsets) does have the serrations for the tab/lock washer for the beartrap to lock into,hence the rubber o'ring on the bottom of the lock nut.

monkian · « **Reply #42 on:** February 25, 2010, 06:08 PM »

Quote from: HUTCHMAN on February 25, 2010, 06:01 PM

The mating face on top of the upper cup(on my headsets) does have the serrations for the tab/lock washer for the beartrap to lock into,hence the rubber o'ring on the bottom of the lock nut.

So you have a grooved / serrated top cup on your 320 / 4SL

Jesus, I think that make's it different again to the original 320 comparison shots

HUTCHMAN · « **Reply #43 on:** February 25, 2010, 06:45 PM »

Quote from: Glen on February 25, 2010, 06:35 PM

that looks like the serrated egde is sitting on flat surface

I know what you mean,but trust me,it's serrated. Both of mine are.

cwbmx · « **Reply #44 on:** February 25, 2010, 11:25 PM »

Quote from: monkian on February 25, 2010, 06:08 PM

Quote from: HUTCHMAN on February 25, 2010, 06:01 PM
The mating face on top of the upper cup(on my headsets) does have the serrations for the tab/lock washer for the beartrap to lock into,hence the rubber o'ring on the bottom of the lock nut.

So you have a grooved / serrated top cup on your 320 / 4SL
Jesus, I think that make's it different again to the original comparison shots

Accurate from the beginning to the end.

Not many BMX parts manufacturers are consistent with the product.
They never have been, Watson.

monkian · « **Reply #45 on:** February 25, 2010, 11:45 PM »

Anyone else thought about having a rib removed

The 8 sided top cup and sealed nut seems to be consistent & it's hard to tell if the original 320 example is grooved or if there's a beartrap washer or not.
It'll be good to see what Bob and Si come up with

Still work to do I'd say.

jT Racing · « **Reply #46 on:** February 26, 2010, 12:33 AM »

all the tioga or tange headsets i have are 6 sided for unsealed and 8 sided for sealed.

Zippy · « **Reply #47 on:** February 26, 2010, 07:35 AM »

I'll take a proper picture of mine tonight when I get in.

monkian · « **Reply #48 on:** March 01, 2010, 03:25 PM »

Quote from: Zippy on February 26, 2010, 07:35 AM

I'll take a proper picture of mine tonight when I get in.

That'll confirm for sure what components came with the original / vintage 320's

monkian · « **Reply #49 on:** May 29, 2010, 02:49 PM »

This has become a bit of a personal mission but I'm now satisfied with the conclusion

It's a shame we've lost some of the original images in the thread but it makes no difference.

This was advertised on ebay as a 'Sealed' Tange 303
I emailed the guy who explained it was only the Crown Race that was sealed.

This suggests, looking at the 303 & 320 shots on page 1, that there could be a sealed and un-sealed 303.
And that you can get a 320 with and without the Beartrap element.

Tioga (MX) 4SL Beartrap / Tange Seiki 320 (Left) V's Tange Seiki Sealed 303 (with 320 Decal, Right)
I've just bought myself a Tioga 4SL / Tange 320 so I can physically compare the two sets.
For me, this is prove beyond any doubt that the original headset in question is a re-labeled sealed 303.

Both awesome Headsets. Same quality, same material and stronger than the Alloy Tange 125LP.
I've seen 320 & 303 sets go for the same money on ebay. Why these 303's are relabeled is a mystery.
I hope this clears a few things up.